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:-)Yes I agree - I need now to write to archives around the region and locate orthodox churches to see if they have records. At last though I know the area I have so long looked for (20 years its taken me because I only had internet last 18 months)
Thanks again Sergej for all you patience with me - I will post all findings.
Thankyou - Andy

 
Posted : 03/03/2008 5:19 pm
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Hi Andy,

there is no need to thanks me, because I like to do this job. Unfortunately I do not have many free time for researching but always I am in disposition for help. Regarding the Cacak, I would like to believe that this is your last researching station, and I realy want you to find your relatives.

 
Posted : 03/03/2008 11:23 pm
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Full circle again - I have looked at Cacak region and this is not correct. Spoke to the surviving person who knew grandad from the displacement camps here in UK and he is adamant that he was born in Bosnia. After much research I have found a village Brdjani about 5 miles north of Konjic. Looking at this everything fits except the reference to being in "Jalce Province".
Google earth gives a great image of this village. Although buildings are new the layout is recognised by parents. They drove through mountains to get there and were lost. They remember traveling a long way from Makarska and wrote down place names. One of these is Podgrab - maybe twenty miles to the east. When Police removed them from the village they were put on a road which practically took them to the coast. This looks like road E73 which they recall halved their journey.
Grandad did speak about visiting the coast and liked Herceg Nova - maybe 60 miles away. He also had knowledge of the mountains around Makarska.
They also recall when they were given those directions they were told Makarska would be ideal place to stay as it was quite close to the village.
I have no doubt now that this is the final place for my search and have contacted Konjic website to ask for information.
Andy

 
Posted : 25/03/2008 11:31 am
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Hi Andy,

yes there is a place Brdjani near Konjic. Take note that this is Herzegovina, not Bosnia. Also, people in Herzegovina growing tobacco, like your grandad was. Name of Herzegovina tobacco is Е kija. There is also river, but with name Neretva, and Konjic is surrounded with mountains. Take on your mind that now in Konjic area lived Muslims, and small part of Croats. Maybe there is some Serbs but I am not sure.

 
Posted : 26/03/2008 1:58 pm
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Thanks Brane - Last year when I seriously began my search and the first time I spoke with the person that knew grandad he said straight away that where grandad now lived was occupied by Moslems. When my parents visited in 1989/90 they recall everybody had tobaco drying. He must have brought this custom to the UK as he always grew tobaco. I have never seen anyone one else grow this plant in this country. On their return to the UK they wrote to Jugoslav embassy in London complaining they had been forced out of the village at gunpoint. The response was that the embassy had contacted the embassy in Split who apologised and said they had caused a great deal of curiosity in the area.
There are too many positives for this not being the correct location now.
Unfortunately I have researched that Brdjani suffered dreadfully in the 1990's and a lot of elderly residents were killed. These may have been the key to my search or even relatives given the small size of this village.
I still suspect the name Culumovic may be changed but feel finally I do have the base for my research and will visit the area in the summer if only to tread the earth of my family. Thanks again - Andy

 
Posted : 26/03/2008 3:08 pm
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Like I say,if you have intention to visit Brdjani maybe you will have problems with people who lived there now, because they are all Muslims. During the war in Bosnia, Muslim made crimes in Brdjani against Serbs, and many of Serbs were killed, and part of them were transported to concentration camps.

I found some pictures in Brdjani area. Maybe your mother recognise some of them. Try to list pages on forum i posted bellow and maybe you will find something.
http://www.zeljeznice.net/node/t=180

 
Posted : 26/03/2008 3:47 pm
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Brilliant and thankyou. Just got two replies from Konjic. They are going to ask people from the village about it's history and family who lived there during ww2.

 
Posted : 27/03/2008 9:26 am
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Hi Sergej / Brane
At last I think I made a breakthrough despite going round in circles.
Grandad always said his wife and children had been killed but he still
sent food items to his sister in law whom he broke contact with in the
1950's as he claimed she had become a communist or married a communist.
I have had the photograph attached translated again and I have been
told it is from his sister in law Violeta, Bijelo Polje and not mother
in law. - This ties in 100% from what grandad said. I have been told
Violeta is a rare name there and at present only one Violeta is listed
for Bijelo Polje. Also one Culumovic - Josip.
I have started my search from scratch.
Mother said he spoke about going to Pliva for a swim. When she was
approached in the village in 1989 by armed men she remembered that and
said she was looking for Pliva. River Pliva runs through area around
Jajce and Sipovo and the men immediately knew what she meant and
checked he for a bathing costume.
I think that my search should again centre on Brdani near to Sipovo
and Violeta and Bijelo Polje.
Do you think an ad in local papers for Bijelo Polje could be of use.
Andy

 
Posted : 28/04/2008 6:10 pm
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Hi Sergej - At last I have got there despite all the obstacles. Maksim was Culum after all and not Culumovic. The village is Brdjani near Sipovo and his brother survived untill 1987. Thankyou all here especially you and Brane for what as been a merry go round of wrong information that I have presented in my search. I have spoken with Plujco family and am to arrange to fly and meet them soon.
Thankyou for yor ever patience - Andy;-)

 
Posted : 02/09/2008 8:42 pm
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Andy,

This is great news. I am glad that you had success. Please keep me posted on how your trip goes and if you have any questions just ask.

Regards,
Sergej

 
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