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how to identifiy from Serbia, Croatia or Austria-Hungary ?

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Hello Sergej and friends
I have been trying for years to find genealogy on both my mothers (Alavanja-Zejelj) side of the family and my fathers (Grubac) side. Hers was quite extended and thanks to many replies a family tree has begun. However by father's , Petar Grubac, is still a mystery. The only reference I can find is historic and related to the 'Uskoci'. He was born in Zumberak, Karlovac to Nicola Grubac on Oct 18, 1936. His mother was Marta (? ). However, he described himself as Grko-Catholic but exclusively went to a Serbian Orthodox Church and once slapped me good for going into one. He described his father as being Austro-Hungarian but said they had a Serbian heritage / lineage . So... where do I look? Which parishes? Which genealogical sites? It's such a mish-mash as was his description when I was a child. He has passed away and no one wrote anything down so this one has me at a loss.
Any help would be appreciated from anyone.
Hvala puno.

 
Posted : 19/10/2008 12:50 am
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Grcko-Catholic is another name for Orthodox ;-)
Uskoks were Serbian "freedom" fighters against Turkish occupation. A lot of people fled occupied territory to Vojvodina or Krajina and were enlisted in the Austro-Hungarian empire. They were willing to do this in order to liberate their homeland.

You should start with writing to the archives in Karlovac. There aren't many other sites besides ours but we have a lot of tools and will soon deploy more online tools.

Grubač can be found in the village of Biočić near Benkovac, this in reply to the other post. Most likely your ancestors came all from the same region.

Regards,
Sergej

 
Posted : 19/10/2008 7:54 am
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Correction, Grcko-Catholic is a term for Orthodox Christians who accepted "Unija" (Union) with Vatikan and therefore acknowledged pope's supremacy.

Also, Uskoks or Uskoci should not be exclusively connected with Serbs.

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Bogdan

 
Posted : 25/10/2008 10:28 pm
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Bogdan is right, however the Grcko-Catholic Church uses the Byzantine rites. This has to do with the history. Back in medieval times there was no real difference between Catholic and Orthodox, this came later. Dalmatia is on what we call the Theodosian line which divides east and west. See it as a diplomatic way to resolve the religion issue in that area without stepping on toes.

With regard to Uskoks, the same counts for Hajduks.

Try the family history library centers from the LDS church, they microfilmed the Croatian archives.

Regards,
Sergej

 
Posted : 26/10/2008 9:58 am
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Bogdan this is the truth what you have wrote!
However, a lot of Orthodox Christians accepted "Unija" (Union) with Vatikan by force. Yes, they acknowledged pope's supremacy but many of Greecs-Catholic episkops asked Serbian Orthodox patriarch for blassing them ( I think until Zorcic became Episkop).
Karlovac is not in Zumberak!
I have been in Zumberak last time two years ago.
Try to find the place of origin in Zumberak and maybe I could help you...

Sergej,
I really miss speel checker and posibility to atach some files ( .jpg or .pdf)

 
Posted : 18/01/2009 9:53 pm
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Dusan,

Spellcheck is on the list. Attachment of files is only a option in the SGS member forums.

Regards,
Sergej

 
Posted : 18/01/2009 10:22 pm
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:) Hvala!

 
Posted : 19/01/2009 9:24 am
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http://krizevci.hbk.hr/biskupija.html

 
Posted : 29/03/2012 5:37 pm
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For those ancestors from Žumberak who indicated their connection to being of Serbian origin  - you should research them like any other ethnic Serbian ancestor from Austro-Hungary in terms of where to look for  materials and resources - except for vital records.

Despite what most sources available on the web in English state, there were a lot of people of Uskok descendancy, even those who were not of Serbian Orthodox faith, who were closely connected to the ethnic Serbian community in Croatia in XIX and XX century  and considered being *Serbian* a part of their proud Uskok heritage.

I suggest that anyone with similar questions and dilemmas reads the articles I posted in the Austria-Hungary research group:

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en/documentation/austria-hungary

this one is on Uskoci ethnic Serbian community in Bela Krajina, Slovenia which still exists- right next to Žumberak:

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en/documentation/ethnic-serbian-community-bela-krajina-slovenia

A lot of resources will be found in the church records and archival holdings relating to the parish of Gomirje Monastery, which was also founded by Uskoks descendants in 1600. and whose monks served as parish priests in Žumberak.

https://sites.google.com/site/thegomirjechronicle/home/gomirje-history

If you find your ancestors surname from the village of origin or household in the Privrednik database, the family definitely had  some *Serbian* connection, and being aware of it can help you locate more records and documents.

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en/documentation/serbian-trade-association-privrednik-merchant-database

You  often need to  disregard  the (very) narrow minded and (very, very,) one-sided interpretations of local history  over here in the Balkans, if you want to research all aspects of the past of your family - if your family is as complicated as mine is.:)

 

 

 

 

 
Posted : 29/03/2012 7:38 pm
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