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Well my guess it is slavicized Albanian, but are there serbs in montenegro or serbia?

 
Posted : 06/07/2007 5:39 pm
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its long, but read it

http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/durham/albania/albania.html

 
Posted : 06/07/2007 5:41 pm
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Guessing is not going to work. This is how things work in short.

1. You take the name of your father,
2. Take the name of your gfather
3. Move your way down back in time

You base your research on data found in the national archives of the country you reside. Surnames are not attached to ethnic backgrounds, go read the article in the Learning Center about surnames. Some people in e.g. the UK have the surname "Greek" but they are in no way Greek themselves.

Another example, there are Serbs with the surname of Djordjevic but also Roma.
So this is not Albanian vs Serbian, this is genealogy and we dont guess in genealogy.

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Sergej

 
Posted : 06/07/2007 5:42 pm
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And why did you delete my Montenegrin thread? Hate to break it to you but its true read this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triesh under origin

It has to do with geneology because most Montenegrins are part Albanian and thats part of their genes

 
Posted : 06/07/2007 5:44 pm
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Where are the sources in the book? I am sorry but this does not qualify as a scientific work on which I would base any research whatsoever.

Whats next, some Serb radical posting a book on Serbian history by Radovan Karadzic?

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Sergej

 
Posted : 06/07/2007 5:45 pm
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Guessing is not going to work. This is how things work in short.

1. You take the name of your father,
2. Take the name of your gfather
3. Move your way down back in time

You base your research on data found in the national archives of the country you reside. Surnames are not attached to ethnic backgrounds, go read the article in the Learning Center about surnames. Some people in e.g. the UK have the surname "Greek" but they are in no way Greek themselves.

Another example, there are Serbs with the surname of Djordjevic but also Roma.
So this is not Albanian vs Serbian, this is genealogy and we dont guess in genealogy.

Well you cant rule out the possibility, I guess I see what you mean to a certain extent because there are Albanians with the last name Ivanaj which when made slav is Ivanovic and sounds rather slavic

 
Posted : 06/07/2007 5:47 pm
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And why did you delete my Montenegrin thread? Hate to break it to you but its true read this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triesh under origin

It has to do with geneology because most Montenegrins are part Albanian and thats part of their genes

The admin removed it, its in breach of site policy.

As for the Wikipedia entry, again no sources.
There are archival sources that contradict the Wikipedia article so please lets stick with genealogy here. I suggest you go to www.krstarica.com and post there on their forums. These forums are not for these kind of discussions.

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Sergej

 
Posted : 06/07/2007 5:47 pm
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Where are the sources in the book? I am sorry but this does not qualify as a scientific work on which I would base any research whatsoever.

Whats next, some Serb radical posting a book on Serbian history by Radovan Karadzic?

Its HIGH ALBANIA BY EDITH DURHAM who is NOT ALBANIA and is not biased considering she did non-propoganda book on Serbs and Macedonians also, that link says what theyre called

 
Posted : 06/07/2007 5:49 pm
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Guessing is not going to work. This is how things work in short.

1. You take the name of your father,
2. Take the name of your gfather
3. Move your way down back in time

You base your research on data found in the national archives of the country you reside. Surnames are not attached to ethnic backgrounds, go read the article in the Learning Center about surnames. Some people in e.g. the UK have the surname "Greek" but they are in no way Greek themselves.

Another example, there are Serbs with the surname of Djordjevic but also Roma.
So this is not Albanian vs Serbian, this is genealogy and we dont guess in genealogy.

Well you cant rule out the possibility, I guess I see what you mean to a certain extent because there are Albanians with the last name Ivanaj which when made slav is Ivanovic and sounds rather slavic

Ok I will humor you for a minute. Serbian has more then 600 words of Celtic origin. There are some that say that Serbs are originally Celts. They base that on the fact that there are more then 600 words of Celtic origin. But its all speculating and in many cases just fantasy.

I know of Albanian families that originally came from Venetia but you couldnt tell from their surname. The only way to rule out (the many theories one makes up) is to do research. And that is what we do here. If you say your surname is Kolari and you went to the archives and found entries in the archives that support you claim then you know for sure who your ancestors were. That is why genealogy is so important, you can proof your roots. Otherwise its just a hypothesis.

Regards,
Sergej

 
Posted : 06/07/2007 5:51 pm
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Where are the sources in the book? I am sorry but this does not qualify as a scientific work on which I would base any research whatsoever.

Whats next, some Serb radical posting a book on Serbian history by Radovan Karadzic?

Its HIGH ALBANIA BY EDITH DURHAM who is NOT ALBANIA and is not biased considering she did non-propoganda book on Serbs and Macedonians also, that link says what theyre called

Ok let me put this in bold so you get it. We do not tolerate any political junk of this nature be it Serbian, Albanian etc. Check our e-book section. All books and sources we post here are valid and well respected sources. I am sorry but this book has nothing to do with genealogy.

Regards,
Sergej

 
Posted : 06/07/2007 5:54 pm
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Well it has to do with the question of whether or not his last name is Albanian

 
Posted : 06/07/2007 5:57 pm
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Well it has to do with the question of whether or not his last name is Albanian

There is a Serbian family with that surname. How do I know this? Because we did research into it in the archives. There are the birth records and on those records we found names, dates etc. The patronim was derived from a non-Albanian source. Kolar btw is a word in Serbian, it has the following meanings:

kolar - cartwright
kolar - wheeler
kolar - wheelwright
kolar - woodman

So the ancestor that took the surname had most likely an occupation that had to do with one of the above, most likely a woodman. His son would then be called Kolaric or Kolarevic literally meaning --son of.

So what I adviced the original poster is to save him the headache of political trash and just to go to the city hall where he lives, to find out the names and dates and to work his way back in time so he can see what his origin is.

You don't choose your ancestors.

Regards,
Sergej

 
Posted : 06/07/2007 6:01 pm
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Alright I went out of the topic but basically my answer is that his last name is indeed Albanian, how many Montenegrins would Albanianize their last names, probably none since its a negative thing to be when your in slavic lands.

 
Posted : 06/07/2007 6:02 pm
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Alright I went out of the topic but basically my answer is that his last name is indeed Albanian, how many Montenegrins would Albanianize their last names, probably none since its a negative thing to be when your in slavic lands. And in addition to that many Albanians from current Albania moved to Montenegro.

 
Posted : 06/07/2007 6:03 pm
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Read my previous answer. Go into the archives and do research and you find your answer. Read the articles in the Learning Center, you cannot determine someones ethnic background on solely their surname. That goes for Albanians, Serbs and all other people on this planet.

Regards,
Sergej

 
Posted : 06/07/2007 6:05 pm
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