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We talked with Milorada Djekanovica and got the confirmation that nothing has survived the fires and destruction except some records from the 1970-ies.

I am nor sure which parishes you were looking at. I was just checking on the FamilySearch.org and found some microfilms from that region from 1800's, zupa Skradin, zupa Gornji Gracac and Donji Gracac, records are from the Orthodox churches. Those books were microfilmed in the Croatian Archives and I guess that's all they had found in the archives. Unfortunately, the newest books that couldn't have been microfilmed are distroyed.

If you can list all the parishes from that region we can look it up and see what is left on the microfilms.

OK let me get a list. I am myself very interested in anything that survived on " Mali Ivoševci".

At the moment our surname database is being updated. We will include archival information, references, DNA info even if present and a whole lot more.

If you ever stumble on the surnames: Ugrčić, Arambašić and Torbica let me know.

Mali Ivosevci doesn't seem to be a parish, nothing comes up on the search. Nothing came up on the Mapquest either. What is a bigger town next to it?

I found around Knin several parishes where they have lots of Orthodox Books on the microfilms: Knin, Kninsko polje, Markovac, Polaca, Zverinac, to name a few.

Here I attached an image of Ivosevi:

There are many microfilmed Orthodox church books from 1700-1924 for Ervenik, look at the mictofilm numbers at:

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlefilmnotes&columns=*%2C0%2C0&titleno=674130&disp=Mati%C4%8Dna+knjiga++

Raducic has microfilmed Orthodox books from 1780-1889 at:

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlefilmnotes&columns=*%2C0%2C0&titleno=673326&disp=Mati%C4%8Dna+knjiga++

I am not sure if these would be the parishes for Mali Ivosevci. You can look at those microfilms at the closest LDS Genealogical Center. If you let me know where you live I can look up the closest center for you.

Sorry, it didn't post the thread. To get to the microfilm numbers go tho the FamilySearch.org, click on the yellow tab Search on top, then on FHL Catalog just below it, then Place Search. Type in the town name (Ervenik or Raducic), bolow Croatia. Keep clicking on the blue links until you get to the page that has in the right top corner a tab "View Film Notes". You will get all the detailed info for each microfilm number.

I just found Ivosevci is a parish too, and there is one microfilm for birth records from 1838-1849. Not much, I hope what you are looking for is in those years.

Thnx, I heard from the webmaster you had website issues, did he reply back and is all solved now?

I will request some films to see if I can find something usefull. Too bad though, some of those archives held info older then 1500 years.

Something that I wanted to ask since you are in a better position then me to see it. Are all archives of Serbian Orthodox Churches in that region microfilmed?

The microfilming was done in the Croatian State Archives in Zagreb from 1985 to 1995, where they keep all the registry books (Catholic and Orthodox) older than 110-150 years. And only in some cases the person who was doing the microfilming had to go to local parishes to look for the registry books because they were buried during the civil war. The Archives were organized after the First World War and why the Orthodox collection is not complete, we can just speculate (the Orthodox priests didn”™t trust the archives that were run by the Catholics, or during the WW II the Orthodox registries were destroyed, or the books were destroyed before and not existent, or they were not kept accurately, or some books were kept or buried in the local churches, etc.) I am not sure if anybody knows for sure what happened here. The only thing I know, or I was told, is that all the Orthodox registry books that were found in the Archives were microfilmed. I was promised to get a complete list of all the Orthodox parishes from which the books were microfilmed in Croatia and I can send it to you next week.

I believe the same thing happened with the Orthodox registry books from Vojvodina that were in the Hungarian Archives, they were also microfilmed there.

If you are looking for some records that are within the last 110 years, that couldn”™t be microfilmed because of the privacy laws, there are 2 sources: one is the church books found in the local churches, or in the last 100 years the state was keeping the records and you find those in the local offices (maticni uredi). All the church books that are older than 110 years were supposed to be stored in the Croatian State Archive in Zagreb - for both Catholic and Orthodox churches. Unfortunately, some books were destroyed during the civil war as you stated and are lost.

Yes I would apreciate a list.
As for the Orthodox church not trusting outsiders that is nothing new and I was afraid of it. A pitty though.

We are working with the Serbian archives setting up a Archival Network (more updates in the next magazine) and hope to get an index of where and what to find. We already are now offering Vojvodina in the database with a place index so people know at least to which archive to go.

We hope that in the future things will change in Serbia, untill then its unnessary hard. It is really shame though most of the Orthodox sources go even back to 700 AD. Has there been any work done in Albania and Turkey?

I have the list of all the places in Croatia where the Orthodox records were microfilmed, including the years and the books that are available. I don't see any option to attach it to this posting and it's very long to just copy and paste. Can you advise me what to do?

As for the work done in Turkey, I see only records that were microfilmed for the Armenian Church.