Hi Bob,

Here's the real deal translation:

DESCRIPTION: Ivan had three more children with Marija Krastek, born after 1905.
They are: Josip, Stjepan and Mara and they all have decendants.
Josip has a living grandson and two great grandschildren, Stjepan has four grandchildren and three great grandchildren, and Mara has a daughter and two grandchildren. Whether Mara has great grandschildren, I-m not sure, but thez are all still in Mitrovica.
This evidence concludes with those born up to 1905. (That's what it says but not sure how much sense this last sentence makes).

Yes, Mara is a female name. "Praunučadi" means great grandchildren, not a surname. Google doesn't pick up on these little things

Hope that helps and please let us know what you've been able to do with that information.

Good luck!

Danica

Hi Danica,

Thanks for the response.

The information concerns my great-uncle Ivan Bartoš, brother of my grandfather Maksim Bartoš but does not contain much specific data. Nevertheless, it”™s worthy information and I will respond to the Stjepan Bartoš for more information. I will have to do so in Croatian because when I try to translate from English to Serbian per Google Translation, it only translates in Serbian Cyrillic script. Google is strange because I can translate from Serbian Latin script to English but not from English to Serbian Latin.
When my grandfather lived in Sremska Mitrovica in 1902, the town was located in Croatia and is now located in Serbia. When he emigrated his ethnicity was Croatian, Slovenic so sending a message to Stjepan in Croatian should be sufficient. I just hope that Google arranges the wording adequately.

I also intend to post a message in the General Forum and want to post it in your native language that would have to be Croatian or Serbian Cyrillic per Google. The majority of posts in the General Forum appear to be Croatian/Serbian Latin so I guess I will use Croatian. Do you think the translation would be adequate enough for people to understand?

Best Regards,

Bob

We just got this email in:

In response to webmaster@rodoslovlje.com who wrote:

"We are sorry, but to who are you sending this email?"

I sent an email to Stjepan Bartoš at [email protected] concerning my grandfather Max Bartoš and he apparently answered it using the contact form of the SGS web site instead of sending the email to me.

The message is:
Max Bartosh from Sremska Mitrovica is brother of my grand grandfather
Ivan Bartoš. I was born in Sremska Mitrovica, too in 1960.
Ivan and Marija Krastek had following children: Franjo, Ana, Marko,
Djura, Josip, Stjepan and Marija (Mara). Stjepan is my grandfather.

Robert Bartosh

Yea we hope the new layout will resolve some confusement.

Hello again,

Well, I wouldn't rely on Google translate either way as it often doesn't give a vrey good translation from Serbian either although it may seem like it sometimes. I always recommend using a professional tranlslator or, if it's something short like the above text, we can always lend a hand.

Good luck and please let us know what you come up with!

Regards,

Danica
Srpsko Rodoslovno Društvo
Serbian Genealogical Society

Hello Danica,

Sorry for the delay but I was very busy with other things.
Thanks for the recommendation. Knowing that using Google will probably result in "bad" Croatian, I believe that this will give a general idea of what I want to say.
I tried to keep the wording simple and after translating into Croatian, I translated it back into English to see how the wording and meaning are interpreted.
I want to post in the public forum where the general population is available for viewing.
Do you think the following will work adequately?

English:
I am searching for my family ancestors that lived in Sremska Mitrovica, Austria-Hungary (now Serbia). My Bartosh family tree is posted in My Rodoslov.

My great-grandparents were Ivan Bartoš (born 1843) who married Barbara Fosler (born 1845), and Petar Zvonarević (born 1850) who married Katarina Mandušić (1852-1882).
Barbara Fosler married Josef Е eberl (born 1852) after the death of Ivan Bartoš in 1879 and raised a second family.
Petar Zvonarević and Ana Cindrić married in 1883 and married Marija Hadam (Adam?) in 1895 following the deaths of his previous wives.

Maksim Bartoš (1869-1942) and Eva Zvonarević (1877-1955), my grandparents, were born and married in Sremska Mitrovica. They immigrated in 1905 to the USA.

Marriages associated with the Bartoš ancestry are: Marija Krastek who married Ivan Bartoš (my great-uncle) and Konstantin Nicolić who married Marija Bartoš (my great-aunt).

Married names associated with the Zvonarević ancestry are: Sremac, Kajtaz, Kreutzer, Kovacić, Slana, Slimer, Marcus, Canić, Svel, Ćiro, Smiljanić, Abel, Jung, Vinković, Kreutzer and Kovacić.

Croatian:
Ja sam u potrazi za moju obitelj predaka koji su živjeli u Sremskoj Mitrovici, Austro-Ugarska (sada Srbija). Moja Bartosh obiteljsko stablo je objavljeno u My Rodoslov.

Moji pradjedovi su bili Ivan Bartoš (roč‘ena 1843) koja se udala za Fosler Barbara (roč‘ena 1845), te Petar Zvonarević (roč‘ena 1850) koja se udala Katarina Mandušić (1852-1882).
Barbara Fosler oženio Josef Е eberl (roč‘en 1852) nakon smrti Ivana Bartoš 1879 i podigao drugu obitelj.
Petar Zvonarević i Ana Cindrić oženio u 1883 i oženio Mariju Hadam (Adam?) 1895 nakon smrti njegove prethodne žene.

Maksim Bartoš (1869-1942) i Eva Zvonarević (1877-1955), moje bake i djedovi, a vjenčali su roč‘eni u Sremskoj Mitrovici. Se iseljavaju u 1905 u SAD-u.

Brakovi povezane s Bartos preci su: Marija Krastek koja se udala za Ivana Bartos (moj pra-stric) i Konstantin Nicolić koja se udala za Marija Bartos (moj pra-tetka).

Oženjen imena povezana s Zvonarević preci su: Sremac, Kajtaz, Kreutzer, Kovačić, Slana, Slimer, Marcus, Čanić, Е vel, Ćiro, Smiljanić, Abel, Jung, Vinković, Kreutzer i Kovačić.

I intend to expand some of the above but just want to give you an example.

Bob Bartosh