Pavle are you using: http://www.ldscatalog.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10151&storeId=10151&productId=47670&langId=-1&cg1=14000&cg2=&cg3=&cg4=&cg5=&sortId=1&sortOr=1&retURLtext=Back%20to%2 0'Software%20Downloads'&retURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ldscatalog.com%2Fwebapp%2Fwcs%2Fstores%2Fservlet%2FCategoryDisplay%3FcatalogId%3D10151%26amp%3BstoreId%3D10151%26amp%3BcategoryId%3D14000%26amp%3BlangId%3D-1%26amp%3Bcg1%3D%26amp%3Bcg2%3D%26amp%3Bcg3%3D%26amp%3Bcg4%3D%26amp%3Bcg5%3D%26pageId%3D1%26pageCt%3D15%26sortId%3D1%26sortOr%3D1 ??

Its good for creating your family tree in digital format.

Talks about the bortherhood, where do you get this info from? The other quotes as well seem to be sporadic.

I got this info from that book I talked about earlier: PLEME ORLOVICI BRATSTVO TEPAVCEVICI. I have a hard time translating anything. Every translating website does not translate anything understandable. It only translates certain words. That is why I am always asking someone to translate for me and everyone around hear say it is to hard for them to translate. I know it talks about the brotherhood, I want to know what it translates to. Thanks Pavle

I never heard of this book, can you provide me with more info, ISBN, author etc.?

Its hard to verify this way if this is really true or just someones fantasy.

The person of this Montenegrin brotherhood was Vuk Crnogorac-Orle. The sentence doesnt make any sense though but it continues about Sokolkse Planine which is a mountain rim in Montenegro. Then it continues that he had 3 sons.
Milija Crnogorac -1348
Pavle Orlovic -1350
Martin Orlovic -1389

Milija didnt have any offspring and he moved to Vratkovice and married the daughter of a local lord.

Looking forward to hear some more info on this book.

I talked about this book before. It is credited to my distant cousin Slavko Tepavcevic. He wrote this book about all are relatives. It is a family tree book. All this information, as I was told by him, came from relatives and what they know about the family. It is not a "public" book. It is a book for family members. I just want to write an English version of this book for the American Tepavcevici and I want to get behind the stories and find out what is fact and what is not fact. I am led to believe Vuk Crnogorac-Orle and Pavle Orlovic are real people and want to believe the stories. I know alot of families like to link their ancestors to Kosovo hereos and want to know if ours is really true and not some made up legend. There does not seem to be alot of info out there on Vuk Crnogorac-Orle. That is why I put certain paragraphs for some one to translate for me so I can learn as much as possible. Just to let you know our family tree starts in 1330 and goes on to Pavle Orlovic and his sons. One of his sons is Bjelan Orlovic. Bjelan was nicknamed TEPA. That is where our last name TEPAVCEVIC started in 1410. Between 1410 and 1630 no one knows the names of who lived. But from 1630 onward there is linkage in the names. So our family tree goes back to 1630 and skips to 1410 and then to 1330. That is all I know about the book. Talk to you later - Pavle

I understand and just as you can read in the Learning Center you have to question all info that you find. You need a source, an archival reference. Oral tradition is not really trustworthy. Let me ask these questions:

* Are there sources in this book and if so how many and could you list them?
* How many facts are in there and not hear-say?
* What you mean with linkage in the names?

If it goes back to 1630 and then skips to 1410 and then to 1330 then you have a problem. Unless you can fill those gaps you cannot proof relationship. Serbia and the region have just as much as any other region similar surnames but no bloodrelationship between e.g. two Djordjevic or even perhaps Tepavcevic in this case.

I can already tell you think that of all nobility from Medieval Serbia, no direct descendants excist. With direct I mean from father to firstborn son.

Is this book digital?

The only sources I can figure are "Stara Crna Gora" by Jovan Erdeljanovic- Beograd- 1926-SANU-Str.315,316,312,311.... "Istorija i tradicija" by Stojan Navakovic... "kosovska bitka(Vojno istorijska rasprava)"Stamlana u" Ratniku"-Beograd 1898-str:110-116...There is some more. These sources are listed below the stories of Vuk Crnogorac-Orle and Pavle Orlovic and thier sons and their families. I can not answer your question about how many facts there are because I do not know what is fact. The only facts I know are the facts about people we know and their lives. All this information in this book seems to be truthful because there is to much detail about their lives. What I mean by saying "linkage in names" is father to son/daughter. For example my father's name is Andrija, my name is Pavle and my daughter's names are Anastasija and Sofija, Anastasija and Sofija are linked to my father. Linkage is a connection by blood. The book is not digital as far as I know. In this book is all TEPAVCEVICI living and dead. All Tepavcevici are relatives no matter how distant, there is linkage. I am still finding it difficult to navigate my way through the archives. If you can tell me where else to look please let me know......I hope this answers your questions and hope you can keep helping.....Thanks, Pavle

The "sources" you mentioned are not really sources. That is sources are archival documents and such.

I once had a Pavlovic or an Orlovic in the past here in the forums wanting to use the coat of arms of that family but according to my sources these families are extinct in a direct line.

But do please keep digging you never know if you can find something "new". The only way to properly compile a correct family tree is through factual research supported with archival and church documents. Oral history doesn't qualify. I will see if I can find something in my books here.

I saw you send the team an email regarding the Rodoslov system. You can login with your current login and password at http://www.rodoslovlje.com/rodoslov/

Let me know if yo need help.

I need help

Go to: http://www.rodoslovlje.com/rodoslov/login.php and login. Then select your tree and start adding people.

Any new developments?