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OK, thanks. This time I did not have to log in in order to be abl eto read and answer your message.
A P

 
Posted : 13/11/2006 6:38 pm
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Yes onc you login the system remembers your login for 30 days ;-)

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Posted : 13/11/2006 8:16 pm
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GOOD!
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Posted : 14/11/2006 5:39 pm
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SO YOU RECEIVED THE RING'S NEW PHOTO, RIGHT?

How did you find it?

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A P

 
Posted : 14/11/2006 5:43 pm
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The webmaster send it to me ;-)

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Posted : 14/11/2006 6:03 pm
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Hi Sergei,

Please thank the webmaster for me.

The ring may be not from Yugoslavia.

Greetings,

A P

 
Posted : 16/11/2006 8:32 pm
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Antonio,

The ring is not from Yugoslavia. I didnt recognize it and our herald didnt either. I think its from Europe but I will see with some people to assertain its origin. There are more then 10.000 arms out there so lets see if they know something straight away. If not then we will need to see if its listen in Rietstap or Siebmachers.

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Sergej

 
Posted : 21/11/2006 1:46 pm
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Thank you again.

I keep waiting.

 
Posted : 21/11/2006 8:01 pm
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Antonio,

I am afraid that I cannot find the matching arms at a fast rate without knowing for sure where they came from. I have consulted with associates but no body seems to recognise it.

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Sergej

 
Posted : 15/01/2007 7:28 am
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Dear Antonio,

The ring is not from Serbia that is something that is 100% sure. However I cannot say where you should look for other former Yugoslav republics. What can be said for sure is that its not local meaning Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia or Bosnia and even Croatia. Perhaps Slovenia or Hungary and Austria but the problem is that the amount of arms in those countries surpass 30.000 so its not a quick look that we can do.

There are two things you can yourself:

1. http://www.blazonsearch.com/ see if anything from the blazon is listed here,
2. Try tp figure out the name of the person from who the ring was. Coat of Arms are not connected to surnames.

I am afraid this is where our help stops. We had one of top heralds look into it and he didn't recognize it. However we will leave this topic here just in case. Sorry we couldn't find a match.

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Sergej

 
Posted : 27/03/2007 11:01 am
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Dear Antonio and Sergej,

considering that this coat of arms (or more precisely, the shield of arms) is displayed on a ring, so the ring could be used as a seal-ring (which is obviously it's purpose), I've flipped the photo horizontally. ;-) Now we could read the blazon properly if only the stars were hatched in their respective tinctures.

I wouldn't say that the field of the ecu-en-cor is erminois or like that. It would more likely be: "Or (Gold) three Ermines (of what colour?)". If we take that those charges are ermines (hermelin in Serbian) or some other mustelidae, for example otters or weasels. The animals the ecu is charged with could be of any colour (Azure, Gules, Purpure, Vert, but I would bet on Sable).

For 1st and 4th quarters of the great shield we would read: "Azure an Eagle displayed (what metal - Or or Argent?)".

The 2nd and 3rd field read: "Gules between three eight-pointed stars (Or or Argent?) on a chevron Argent three eight-pointed stars of (what colour?).

Now, if we consider the quarters as the respective families' coats of arms, we should search for the armiger whose family bore the 1st and 4th quarter before his marriage with daughter of the armiger of the 2nd and 3rd quarter, which should also be researched. Then, we consider that their son, or some further descendent, married an heraldic heiress whose escutcheon of pretense he displayed over his inherited quarters. It's possible that the surnames were also conjoined, but, who knows?

For a coat of arms whose bearer is unknown, the right way to go would certainly be browsing the ordinaries (heraldic books in which arms are listed by charges - elements of the arms, not by surnames as in armorials - a different kind of heraldic books). I have one small Illyrian ordinary (for Balkans), so I'll let you know if I find anything.

Finally, seeing that this coat of arms is displayed as shield only (the "small arms") and without any paraphernalia (helm, crest, coronets...), we cannot tell the armiger's nobility rank. The rank was often marked with an appropriate coronet of rank (which should not be confused with crest coronets - those are something else, being part of the crest).

So much for now.

Best wishes,

 
Posted : 12/05/2007 12:51 am
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