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TOTH and KARASZ from Palanka; JURIK & PECKOVSKI from Erdevik, PAPP & RACZ from ???

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Looking for more information and possibly family members still in Serbia. My great grandfather was Nicholas Toth. Don't know where he was born, possibly Sombor, but he died in 1940 in Uj Palanka. My great grandmother was Victoria Karasz Toth. She was from Hodsag but moved to Palanka. She came to America in 1952 and died in 1956. At that time she had three daughters in America -- my grandmother, Katalin, married to Joska Jurik from Erdevik and her two sisters. Eva, wife of Milorad Somboracz and Elizabeth, wife of Joseph Derkovits. These two sisters were married in palanka before they came over. My grandmother married in Pennsylvania.

A fourth daughter was Victoria Racz. Don't know where she lived in 1952 but it was not in Palanka. Several other children and grandchildren died in Palanka.

There was a cousin, Theresa Papp, who was alive in the 1930;s. Also a cousin Rosa but I don't know her surname.

Would someone tell me how I can find church or court records of deaths, marriages, baptisms, etc. after 1895? I have thoroughly searched the Family History Center through 1895 and learned a lot but would like to find more current information.

Thanks for "listening".

 
Posted : 15/12/2003 10:32 pm
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Hello Marlene,

I will check some things out for you and get back to you later this week.

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Sergej

 
Posted : 23/12/2003 10:18 am
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The archives of Vojvodina have been microfilmed for some part. Also the years you need. See at the top of the message list the post about archives of Pancevo. Let me know if you found something new.

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Posted : 11/03/2004 2:37 pm
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I don't see a post about archives of Pancevo.

Marlene

 
Posted : 11/03/2004 3:29 pm
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Hi Marlene,

Oops, forgot it was only in the SGS member forum. The link is http://www.arhivpancevo.org.yu/

The site has an English version. It seems the archives in Vojvodina are discovering the internet. We are still gathering the other links.

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Sergej

 
Posted : 11/03/2004 3:32 pm
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Peckovski seems to me like an macedonian surname.There is a lots of Macedonians families in Vojvodina.
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Posted : 12/03/2004 5:56 pm
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Recently found out PECOVSKI was really PUCOVSKY. In America they used BETOZHKIE and BASCASKIE. The children eventually used CASKIE.

 
Posted : 15/01/2005 6:41 pm
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Was the Pucovsky the name that was written on the migration record? In this case the correct spelling is important.

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Posted : 15/01/2005 9:23 pm
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No. The wife and child came to America as Peckovszky. I haven't found the husband in the Ellis Island files. They did not become citizens. I found the application for citizenship but it was refused. I can see why. He said he came over in September of 1905. He was already in America in March of 1905. Apparently he was confused on the dates. The 1909 census said he come over in 1904 and I believe that was probably correct.

I have been in touch with someone who was born and raised in Erdevik. She could not find a reference to a Pecovszky family in Erdevik but did find Pucovsky. Certainly sounds similar. According to the census, the parents could not read or write. The agent would have had to spell it phonetically.

 
Posted : 15/01/2005 11:40 pm
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Well from the info you gave before I make the following assumption since there are not many facts to go on. So I would take your research this way. The Toth side were DonauSchwaben in the north of Vojvodina. There is also a Slowak population there and Pucovsky sounds more like a Slowak name to me. However, as I said before the spelling of the name in this case is crucial because even one letter change can make the name shift from Slowak to German or even to Polish for that matter. It could also have a profound impact on the geographical part.

Somehow you must find their place of origin(not the port of departure). Since this info is only stored with the US immigration you will need to do some hairsplitting research there before you can go on. Otherwise you will be making assumptions and that will only damage your research. If you know they came from the Pancevo area and you have their birth info then write to the archives there and see what they can come up with.

Thats all I can advice with this info.

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Posted : 16/01/2005 5:36 pm
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Pucovsky family were Slovak. My granfather, Jurik, was also Slovak. Toth was from Palanka and were Magyar. You are correct about finding where they were from. I have my grandfather's naturalization papers and from them I know he was born in Erdevik. I only know from Ellis Island the the Pucovsky wife left from Erdevik. And from my grandfather's Ellis Island record, Pucovsky was a cousin but I don't know if it was the wife or the husband.

I will keep searching until I know for sure if it was Peckovszky, Pucovsky, Betozhke, etc.

Thank you so much for your help.

 
Posted : 16/01/2005 6:51 pm
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Hello, I saw your conversation in this forum and I thought you may find this information useful:
The Pucovský family is Slovak indeed. They come from the village Pucov (hence the surname) in the Slovakia's northwest region of Orava, close to the town Dolný Kubín.
The Slovakian colonists first came to Petrovec (then caled Petrocz, in Hungarian; today Bački Petrovac, the official Serbian name of the town, 25 km northwest of Novi Sad), in 1745. Among them was the name Martin Pucovský. Slovaks also moved to or founded their villages in the part of Vojvodina called Srem (or Sriem in Slovak), south of Danube, including Erdevík, but this was from mid-18th century onwards. There are also Slovak villages in the Pančevo region, like Vojlovica, or a bit more to the north Kovačica and Padina.
This was the primary emigration. However, some Pucovskýs had wandering shoes and from Vojvodina went on for secondary migration which brought them to Australia, Canada, or back to Slovakia.
Peckovszky might be a Hungarian transcription of another Slovak surname, PeЕ¥kovský, which is a different surname, unrelated to Pucovský. Hope this helps a bit.
Best regards,

Vladimír Pucovský Jr.

 
Posted : 04/07/2005 12:06 pm
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Yes, it helps a great deal. One of my question (to myself) has been if my family is Slovak, why am I not looking in Slovakia. You answered that for me.

My grandfather was Jurik. Peckovsky, Pukovsky, etc. is only in the picture because my grandfather came to America to a cousin named Peckovsky. My mother remembered she spent a lot of time with them. I thought I might have family in America. With much searching I found the grandchildren of this family. The youngest child of the original family died less than 5 years ago, living less than 350 miles from me. When I started my "quest", he was still alive. None of the grandchildren are interested.

I didn't know whether my grandfather was related to Stefan or Julka. I have since learned that Julka's maiden name was something like Drahowski or Strahowski. That tells me Stefan was probably the relative. I am guessing Stefan's mother was a sister of my grandfather.

I wrote to the Jurik in Erdevik. His daughter lives in Australia. She gave me the name of a Jurik in Srem Mitovica. I wrote and received a letter just last week. It is currently being translated and I will know exactly what it says by tomorrow. (Today is a holiday here. No mail.) I asked in my letter if she knew where this family was originally from. Now I can't read Serbian but I do see the name "Bac Petrovac". Of course this would be Jurik. She also sent some wonderful old photos. I see a resemblance to my grandfather. I hope it is not just imagination.

The woman in Australia also told me there were no Peckovskys in Erdevik. She said there never were but there were Pucovsky. That is why I started searching for Pucovsky.

With your information I have a better idea how my Juriks came to be in Erdevik.

Thank you very much
Marlene Norton

 
Posted : 04/07/2005 1:38 pm
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MARLENE_NORTON Wrote:


> Now I can't read Serbian but

If in the future you need to correspond and commit research inside Serbia please do consider membership. We have letter templates for the archives and do translations for members.

Regards,
Sergej

 
Posted : 04/07/2005 2:42 pm
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Tell me more about membership.

Marlene

 
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